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		By: steve hammill		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting thoughts, Connie, but it sounds pretty bleak. 

Getting balled up in the fast, good or cheap syndrome seems risky business to me. There must be a better way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts, Connie, but it sounds pretty bleak. </p>
<p>Getting balled up in the fast, good or cheap syndrome seems risky business to me. There must be a better way.</p>
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		By: Paul Strikwerda		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Connie, you&#039;ve picked one of my favorite topics: rates! I just stepped away from a discussion about &quot;Odesk&quot;-type of rates on the Working Voice-Actor LinkedIn Group. I encountered a number of voice-talents who were actually justifying $20 rates for a voice-over gig. The argument being that these bargain basement fees are the result of capitalism. &quot;Socialism/Communism&quot; doesn&#039;t work,&quot; wrote one respondent.

Perhaps it&#039;s because I&#039;m originally from Europe, but I am used to colleagues arguing in favor of fair rates which allow people to pay their bills, support their families and their communities and even save some for a rainy day. That&#039;s why I want to see reasonable minimum rates, and because of that, some participants called me a proponent of price fixing. I guess that&#039;s worse than working for a symbolic fee and not being able to make ends meet.

Of course this issue is not unique to this industry. My wife, a flutist, is constantly competing with other flute teachers in her neck of the woods, who offer lessons at a third of what she&#039;s is charging. It turns out that these cheap rate teachers either have no idea of what the going rate is, or they don&#039;t have to make a living as a teacher. They are supported by their partner, and what they make from teaching is just gravy. I have a feeling that it&#039;s the same in our voice-over community.

The cost of living is going up and our rates are going down. Going for the quick buck is also the result of a way if thinking that focuses on the individual and not on the community. I call this type of thinking a &quot;ME attitude&quot; versus a &quot;WE attitude&quot;. &quot;As long as MY needs are met, I&#039;m okay. I am not responsible for the rest...&quot; seems to be the modus operandi. 

&quot;$20 is a tankful of gas for me and, these days, a tankful of gas is a lot in my world,&quot; wrote someone. I want to know what type of car this person is driving and where I can fill up my tank for twenty bucks!

I also feel that the rise of Pay-to-Plays has more than a little to do with the erosion of rates. Perhaps it&#039;s me, but doesn&#039;t it strike you as odd that almost every project on voices.com is in the $100-$250 budget range, regardless of the nature of the job? Movie trailers, TV commercials, audio books.... going once, going twice.... SOLD to the lowest bidder! What happened to full buy-outs and retainers? What happened to the folks who stood up for the talent they represent, demanding a fair fee?

Thankfully, I have also heard other stories. I read about a voice-seeker the other day, who said that we would never ever hire a talent at $200 per hour. &quot;If it&#039;s that cheap, it can&#039;t be good,&quot; he said. Instead, he always went to an agent and always hired Union talent. &quot;I might be paying more,&quot; he said, &quot;but ultimately, quality pays for itself.&quot;

That&#039;s the thing some people don&#039;t get. If you add tremendous value, you deserve to be compensated accordingly. If you start accepting bargain basement rates, you tell the world that you believe that that&#039;s acceptable. In China, $20 might be a nice chunk of money. But life&#039;s a lot cheaper over there. 

In the United States, millions can&#039;t afford health insurance and need to work two jobs in order to get by. Even people with health insurance end up going bankrupt because not everything is covered. I guess that&#039;s capitalism too. It&#039;s the high price of CHEAP. It&#039;s going down FAST, and it ain&#039;t GOOD!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Connie, you&#8217;ve picked one of my favorite topics: rates! I just stepped away from a discussion about &#8220;Odesk&#8221;-type of rates on the Working Voice-Actor LinkedIn Group. I encountered a number of voice-talents who were actually justifying $20 rates for a voice-over gig. The argument being that these bargain basement fees are the result of capitalism. &#8220;Socialism/Communism&#8221; doesn&#8217;t work,&#8221; wrote one respondent.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m originally from Europe, but I am used to colleagues arguing in favor of fair rates which allow people to pay their bills, support their families and their communities and even save some for a rainy day. That&#8217;s why I want to see reasonable minimum rates, and because of that, some participants called me a proponent of price fixing. I guess that&#8217;s worse than working for a symbolic fee and not being able to make ends meet.</p>
<p>Of course this issue is not unique to this industry. My wife, a flutist, is constantly competing with other flute teachers in her neck of the woods, who offer lessons at a third of what she&#8217;s is charging. It turns out that these cheap rate teachers either have no idea of what the going rate is, or they don&#8217;t have to make a living as a teacher. They are supported by their partner, and what they make from teaching is just gravy. I have a feeling that it&#8217;s the same in our voice-over community.</p>
<p>The cost of living is going up and our rates are going down. Going for the quick buck is also the result of a way if thinking that focuses on the individual and not on the community. I call this type of thinking a &#8220;ME attitude&#8221; versus a &#8220;WE attitude&#8221;. &#8220;As long as MY needs are met, I&#8217;m okay. I am not responsible for the rest&#8230;&#8221; seems to be the modus operandi. </p>
<p>&#8220;$20 is a tankful of gas for me and, these days, a tankful of gas is a lot in my world,&#8221; wrote someone. I want to know what type of car this person is driving and where I can fill up my tank for twenty bucks!</p>
<p>I also feel that the rise of Pay-to-Plays has more than a little to do with the erosion of rates. Perhaps it&#8217;s me, but doesn&#8217;t it strike you as odd that almost every project on voices.com is in the $100-$250 budget range, regardless of the nature of the job? Movie trailers, TV commercials, audio books&#8230;. going once, going twice&#8230;. SOLD to the lowest bidder! What happened to full buy-outs and retainers? What happened to the folks who stood up for the talent they represent, demanding a fair fee?</p>
<p>Thankfully, I have also heard other stories. I read about a voice-seeker the other day, who said that we would never ever hire a talent at $200 per hour. &#8220;If it&#8217;s that cheap, it can&#8217;t be good,&#8221; he said. Instead, he always went to an agent and always hired Union talent. &#8220;I might be paying more,&#8221; he said, &#8220;but ultimately, quality pays for itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the thing some people don&#8217;t get. If you add tremendous value, you deserve to be compensated accordingly. If you start accepting bargain basement rates, you tell the world that you believe that that&#8217;s acceptable. In China, $20 might be a nice chunk of money. But life&#8217;s a lot cheaper over there. </p>
<p>In the United States, millions can&#8217;t afford health insurance and need to work two jobs in order to get by. Even people with health insurance end up going bankrupt because not everything is covered. I guess that&#8217;s capitalism too. It&#8217;s the high price of CHEAP. It&#8217;s going down FAST, and it ain&#8217;t GOOD!</p>
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